The target papers all claim that the self is an illusory construct. This is in line with central tenants in phenomenology. Roberts and Adyashanti seem to make a stronger claim that even the first person perspective is illusory, which is in stark contradiction with phenomenology. Emphasizing the dimension of active practice of both phenomenology and spiritual contemplation, I examine the contextual background, nature and implications of the two claims with the aim of clarifying whether the latter can at all be rendered intelligible. If no, why not? If yes, how so?